Comments on: Sun’s Ruby strategy - Engage and Contain? http://logiccolony.com/blog/2007/09/22/suns-ruby-strategy-engage-and-contain/ software technology design Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:18:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Off The Lip » Antagonisms http://logiccolony.com/blog/2007/09/22/suns-ruby-strategy-engage-and-contain/#comment-2202 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:41:47 +0000 http://logiccolony.com/blog/2007/09/22/suns-ruby-strategy-engage-and-contain/#comment-2202 [...] The programming world is all riled up, there are too many controversies and fights going on all at the same time. The two main protagonists are “the Ruby people” and “the Java people” with some Erlang or Javascript thrown in the middle. Although these two groups have a lot in common (be it only because many Ruby hackers are ex Java hackers), the critics are still far too vehement. Something is shifting. The language war is back and it’s strong. [...] […] The programming world is all riled up, there are too many controversies and fights going on all at the same time. The two main protagonists are “the Ruby people” and “the Java people” with some Erlang or Javascript thrown in the middle. Although these two groups have a lot in common (be it only because many Ruby hackers are ex Java hackers), the critics are still far too vehement. Something is shifting. The language war is back and it’s strong. […]

]]> by: logiccolony.com/blog :: JRuby Facts: Ruby ‘Cultivated and vigorously supported’ by Sun http://logiccolony.com/blog/2007/09/22/suns-ruby-strategy-engage-and-contain/#comment-2166 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:56:51 +0000 http://logiccolony.com/blog/2007/09/22/suns-ruby-strategy-engage-and-contain/#comment-2166 [...] Ola Blini and Charles Oliver Nutte set me straight about JRuby development and Sun’s involvement with the Ruby community. [...] […] Ola Blini and Charles Oliver Nutte set me straight about JRuby development and Sun’s involvement with the Ruby community. […]

]]> by: Charles Oliver Nutte http://logiccolony.com/blog/2007/09/22/suns-ruby-strategy-engage-and-contain/#comment-2123 Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:23:12 +0000 http://logiccolony.com/blog/2007/09/22/suns-ruby-strategy-engage-and-contain/#comment-2123 1) JRuby is Ruby. Don't think of it in terms of Java. We've bent over backwards to make it as compatible as possible, and continue to do so. 2) Don't forget that Tom and I worked crazy hours on JRuby long before we ever came to Sun, and achieved our milestone of running Rails without any corporate backing. JRuby is not a Sun project; it's a project Sun supports. 3) Ruby and Rails were everywhere at JavaOne. There was a tutorial on Ruby/RoR during the tutorial day that didn't even get into Java or Java EE. The Ruby tooling in NetBeans had two talks and featured in two of the big keynotes. JRuby was featured in at least three different technical sessions. I demonstrated running and deploying Rails, both with WEBrick and into an app server, during the major technical general session. 4) Sun already has major internal projects running on Rails--both under Ruby and JRuby. Trust me, Rails is not just being contained...it's being actively cultivated and vigorously supported. There's no reason to post FUD like this. You make unsubstantiated suppositions about a big scary Sun that's trying to squash the Ruby/Rails community. You claim Sun is trying to "contain and control" Ruby and Rails. You claim JRuby is somehow less Ruby than Ruby. And all the while, here I am working 15 hours a day to support Ruby developers looking for another option, with Sun being nothing but supportive for our efforts. Sun hired Tom and I. Sun is working to support a research grant for Koichi Sasada, the man behind Ruby 1.9's VM. Sun donated a high-end server to the Ruby core team for 1.9 development. Sun shipped me and the other Rubinius developers to Denver for a code sprint. Sun promotes Ruby and JRuby at almost all developer events. At what point would you appreciate the efforts happening at Sun instead of fearing them? Please get your facts straight, and stop spreading FUD. Sun believes in Rails and Ruby, or I wouldn't be working here. 1) JRuby is Ruby. Don’t think of it in terms of Java. We’ve bent over backwards to make it as compatible as possible, and continue to do so.

2) Don’t forget that Tom and I worked crazy hours on JRuby long before we ever came to Sun, and achieved our milestone of running Rails without any corporate backing. JRuby is not a Sun project; it’s a project Sun supports.

3) Ruby and Rails were everywhere at JavaOne. There was a tutorial on Ruby/RoR during the tutorial day that didn’t even get into Java or Java EE. The Ruby tooling in NetBeans had two talks and featured in two of the big keynotes. JRuby was featured in at least three different technical sessions. I demonstrated running and deploying Rails, both with WEBrick and into an app server, during the major technical general session.
4) Sun already has major internal projects running on Rails–both under Ruby and JRuby.

Trust me, Rails is not just being contained…it’s being actively cultivated and vigorously supported.

There’s no reason to post FUD like this. You make unsubstantiated suppositions about a big scary Sun that’s trying to squash the Ruby/Rails community. You claim Sun is trying to “contain and control” Ruby and Rails. You claim JRuby is somehow less Ruby than Ruby. And all the while, here I am working 15 hours a day to support Ruby developers looking for another option, with Sun being nothing but supportive for our efforts.

Sun hired Tom and I. Sun is working to support a research grant for Koichi Sasada, the man behind Ruby 1.9’s VM. Sun donated a high-end server to the Ruby core team for 1.9 development. Sun shipped me and the other Rubinius developers to Denver for a code sprint. Sun promotes Ruby and JRuby at almost all developer events. At what point would you appreciate the efforts happening at Sun instead of fearing them?

Please get your facts straight, and stop spreading FUD. Sun believes in Rails and Ruby, or I wouldn’t be working here.

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